But I see more and more of this on the horizon and I don't like being rude to people by explaining this is not a commercial product and there is no guaranteed support and they are likely to have to find and fix the problem themselves, by reading the forum etc
It's your forum Roger, so I understand your sensitivity and I respect your position. I also appreciate the effort by ddrown and others, ridding ourselves of bugs is paramount. But IMO the forum is not a support forum but rather a clearing house for discussing and documenting using the Arduino IDE for compiling and uploading code to the STM32F103 series. Discussion around the F2, F3, and F4 is healthy and the intent is to attempt to bring some functionality under the Arduino umbrella.
Kind words aside, we do not support a commercial product which is to say the STM32 port is unofficial and officially unsupported. Individuals that join the forum must understand that they are expected to work ... yes, search & read & experiment & code to satisfy their needs. If they cannot do these things by themselves, they do not need to be here. Others here join in their quest, but there is no implied requirement that we jump into the sea and help pull them to shore. Rather, tossing a rope (URL) or life jacket (code snippet) may be the best we can do... sometimes that is just a few links or a few comforting statements.
maybe move all similar threads into a top level 'Windows nn issues" with topics having prominent 'SOLVED' tags when resolved?
With respect, It is a great idea, but few noob actually read stickies. Or said another way, if a noob will not Google the site, what hope do we have that they would ever read a stickie?
IMO: I hope that Arduino users stay with Arduino, the forum has moderators and much 8-bit history. An alternative to the high cost of Arduino 32-bit immersion is STM32duino but jumping the official site to here must come with a commitment to self-support, self-study, and a determined mindset to fully participate and give back to the community. Everyone here wants to be helpful and I think we are... but I never see us (as we are currently organized) being able to manage an flood of noobies coming over just because $4 and 32-bit seems like fun.
I have been using the "other" IDE almost exclusively for STM32duino ... that is, version 1.7.8 from Arduino.org
No problems to report. There is NO board manager.